SF-LOVERS Digest          Friday, 1 Jul 1983        Volume 8 : Issue 1

Today's Topics:
      Books - Robert A. Heinlein & Mack Reynolds & John Varley,
        General Discussion - The Importance of Writing Style,
                    General Comments - WESTERCON,
               Film - Steven Spielberg & Dune (4 msgs)

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SF-LOVERS Digest          Friday, 1 Jul 1983        Volume 8 : Issue 2

Today's Topics:
                   THE RETURN OF THE JEDI (13 msgs)

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SF-LOVERS Digest          Friday, 1 Jul 1983       Volume  8 : Issue 3

Today's Topics:
                 Books - Stephen Donaldson (2 msgs),
                       Discussion - S.F. Music,
                   Film - Twilight Zone & War Games

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SF-LOVERS Digest        Wednesday, 6 Jul 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 4

Today's Topics:
                            Administrivia,
    Books - Donald Barr & David Brin (2 msgs) & Gregory Benford &
                       James P. Hogan (2 msgs),
Discussion - Good Books to Read

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Thursday, 7 Jul 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 5

Today's Topics:
                   THE RETURN OF THE JEDI (10 msgs)

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Thursday, 7 Jul 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 6

Today's Topics:
     Books - Gene Wolfe & Libertarian and Marxist S.F. (4 msgs) &
               Non-Fiction Book About Science Fiction,
     Discussion - Names in Fantasy & Writing Style & S.F. Music,
     Film - Steven Spielberg & Twilight Zone the Movie (SPOILER)

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SF-LOVERS Digest          Friday, 8 Jul 1983        Volume 8 : Issue 7

Today's Topics:
                   THE RETURN OF THE JEDI (8 msgs)

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Saturday, 9 Jul 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 8

Today's Topics:
                       Film - WarGames (3 msgs)

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Saturday, 9 Jul 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 9

Today's Topics:
                       Film - WarGames (6 msgs)

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Sunday, 10 Jul 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 10

Today's Topics: 
           Books - James P. Hogan (some spoilers) (9 msgs)

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Sunday, 10 Jul 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 11

Today's Topics:
      Books - Patricia McKillip and Orson Scott Card (2 msgs) &
                         Gene Wolfe (2 msgs), 
            Discussion - Fantasy Names and S.F. Styles and
                      Ayn Rand in Music (6 msgs)

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Monday, 11 Jul 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 12

Today's Topics:
          Books - James Blish & J.O. Jeppson & T.H. White &
                              "Mr. 666",
 General Discussion - Marxists and Libertarians & A Physics Question,
    Film - Dune & Steven Spielberg (2 msgs) & Star Trek (3 msgs),
                        Television - Dr. Who,
                          Conventions - OKON

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Monday, 11 Jul 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 13

Today's Topics:
             Film - WarGames (5 msgs) (Some Spoilers...)

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Monday, 11 Jul 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 14

Today's Topics:
        Film - THE RETURN OF THE JEDI (13 msgs) (SPOILERS!!!)

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Tuesday, 12 Jul 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 15

Today's Topics:
               Film - THE RETURN OF THE JEDI (13 msgs)

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Tuesday, 12 Jul 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 16

Today's Topics:
              General Discussion - King Arthur (2 msgs)
     & Fantasy Names (3 msgs) & Marxism/Libertarianism (2 msgs),
          Books - James Blish & James Hogan & J.O. Jeppson,
            Film - STAR TREK (6 msgs), Barbarella (2 msgs)

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SF-LOVERS Digest        Wednesday, 13 Jul 1983     Volume 8 : Issue 17

Today's Topics:
                    Books - King Arthur (3 msgs) &
            J.R.R. Tolkien and Stephen Donaldson (2 msgs),
                      Film - Star Trek (4 msgs),
                      Books - Orson Scott Card,
                 Film - Colossus, The Forbin Project

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SF-LOVERS Digest        Thursday, 14 Jul 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 18

Today's Topics:
                Film - THE RETURN OF THE JEDI (5 msgs)

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Tuesday, 12 Jul 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 15

Date: 5 Jul 83 15:25:43-PDT (Tue)
From: ihnp4!houxm!hocda!spanky!burl!sb1!mb2c!gll @ Ucb-Vax
Subject: Re: Re{venge,turn} of the Jedi

Re: Fred Blonder's comments on shadows...

     "And now for something completely different: Since Tatooine has
two suns, a fact which the filmmakers like to show off, how come we
have shadows on Tatooine? We see shadows beneath the sail barge and
the smaller craft, but they're all single. These craft were high
enough off the ground that the shadow should have split into two
distinct shadows.  Just think how much fun (i.e. headaches) the
special effex folks could have had with that one! Since Tatooine's two
suns are of a slightly different color, they could have even made the
two shadows of different colors."

     If anything, this was a continuity problem -- not a special
effects problem.  There was only one scene in the entire sequence
where you see the "real" (full size prop) barge over the Arizona
desert.  This could have been hacked by using a BIG bank of spots all
coming from one side.  As for all the other shots, they were either
model shots matted over real scenes ("plates") with the shadows done
with hand animation -- or they were total miniature shots with model
barges over model desert.  In the latter case it would have been
simple to get double shadows with the studio lighting.

"...  The reason I mention this is that early on there is a panorama
shot of the landscape and two suns are shown.  Later on there is a
scene where the leader and the captain of the rescue ship are walking
out of the cave and on to the surface.  They have two distinct
shadows--one strong, one faint."

     Its amazing what you can do with electric light bulbs...

-c

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SF-LOVERS Digest        Thursday, 14 Jul 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 19

Today's Topics:
               Film - WarGames (8 msgs) (Some Spoilage)

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SF-LOVERS Digest        Saturday, 16 Jul 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 20

Today's Topics:
   Discussion - King Arthur and General Fantasy and Names (6 msgs),
                        Books - James P. Hogan

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SF-LOVERS Digest        Saturday, 16 Jul 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 21

Today's Topics:
                    Television - Dr. Who (4 msgs),
      Film - STAR TREK (6 msgs) and STAR TREK SPOILERS (2 msgs)

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SF-LOVERS Digest        Wednesday, 20 Jul 1983     Volume 8 : Issue 22

Today's Topics:
                            Administrivia,
               Film - THE RETURN OF THE JEDI (20 msgs)

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SF-LOVERS Digest        Thursday, 21 Jul 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 23

Today's Topics:
       Discussion  - King Arthur (7 msgs) & Names in Fantasy &
                      Stephen Donaldson's Style,
        Query - A Call for Writers in a New Role-Playing Game,
             Conventions - NASFIC and the 1986 WorldCon,
                     Question - The SF Book Club

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SF-LOVERS Digest        Thursday, 21 Jul 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 24

Today's Topics:
               Books - J. P. Hogan (4 msgs) (SPOILERS)
                 Film - WarGames (9 msgs) (SPOILERS)

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SF-LOVERS Digest        Saturday, 23 Jul 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 25

Today's Topics:
                Film - THE RETURN OF THE JEDI (4 msgs)

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SF-LOVERS Digest        Saturday, 23 Jul 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 26

Today's Topics:
        Discussion - King Arthur (4 msgs) & Names in Fantasy,
       Books - Patricia MacKillip & Orson Scott Card (2 msgs) &
        Susan Cooper & J.P. Hogan & John Varley & Larry Niven

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Sunday, 24 Jul 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 27

Today's Topics:
    Books - Robert A. Heinlein (2 msgs) & J.O. Jeppson (4 msgs) &
               Larry Niven & John Norman & King Arthur,
                Discussion - SF Music & Usenet Styles,
                             Film - Dune,
                    Television - Dr. Who (2 msgs)

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Sunday, 24 Jul 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 28

Today's Topics:
       General Comments - Andre Norton and SF Rock and SCA and
      Bug Jack Barron and John Varley and Dino De Laurentis and
                Robert Silverberg and Aliens in SF and
                    Living Your Fantasies (1 msg),
                      Books - Mr. 666 (3 msgs),
                  Conventions - NASFIC and Worldcon,
                Film - Barbarella & Star Trek (5 msgs)
                  Humor - UFO's and Little Green Men

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Monday, 25 Jul 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 29

Today's Topics:
                       Film - WarGames (6 msgs)

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Tuesday, 26 Jul 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 30

Today's Topics:
    Books - King Arthur & Breakaway Station & Stephen Donaldson &
           Patricia MacKillip & Larry Niven & John Norman &
                        Time Paradox Stories,
                      Film - Star Trek (4 msgs),
        General Discussion - USENET Participation in SF Lovers

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SF-LOVERS Digest        Wednesday, 27 Jul 1983     Volume 8 : Issue 31

Today's Topics:
       Books - James P. Hogan (3 msgs) & Larry Niven (2 msgs) &
        Fantasy in Arthur and Tolkein and Donaldson (5 msgs),
         General Discussion - USENET and SF-LOVERS (5 msgs),
         General Query - A Call for Help from Robert Forward

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SF-LOVERS Digest        Wednesday, 27 Jul 1983     Volume 8 : Issue 32

Today's Topics:
     Film - The Revenge of the Jedi (6 msgs) & WarGames (4 msgs)

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SF-LOVERS Digest        Thursday, 28 Jul 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 33

Today's Topics:
    Books - David Brin & Stephen Donaldson & Robert A. Heinlein &
                       J.R.R. Tolkien (2 msgs),
                          Film - Star Trek,
                       Television - Doctor Who,
                           Comics - Ronin,
           General Discussion - The S.F. Book Club & SCA &
        Stereotypes in Science Fiction--Robots, Computers and
                      Mad Scientists and Hackers

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SF-LOVERS Digest        Thursday, 28 Jul 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 34

Today's Topics:
        Film - Twilight Zone:  The Movie (9 msgs) (SPOILERS) &
                    WarGames (4 msgs) (SPOILERS) &
              The Return of the Jedi (2 msgs) (SPOILERS)

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Friday, 29 Jul 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 35

Today's Topics:
     Books - "Breakaway Station" & Robert A. Heinlein (3 msgs) &
                       J.R.R. Tolkien (3 msgs),
       General Discussion - SF Book Club & WorldCon (2 msgs) &
                               The SCA

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Friday, 29 Jul 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 35

Today's Topics:
     Books - "Breakaway Station" & Robert A. Heinlein (3 msgs) &
                       J.R.R. Tolkien (3 msgs),
       General Discussion - SF Book Club & WorldCon (2 msgs) &
                               The SCA

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SF-LOVERS Digest        Saturday, 30 Jul 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 36

Today's Topics:
      Film - Twilight Zone:  The Movie (5 msgs) (SPOILERS!!!) &
          The Return of the Jedi (6 msgs) (SPOILERS!!!!!) &
                       WarGames (SPOILERS!!!!!)

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Sunday, 31 Jul 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 37

Today's Topics:
   Books - J.R.R. Tolkien (3 msgs) & Robert A. Heinlein (2 msgs) &
      Frederic Pohl & John Norman (2 msgs) & Charles W. Runyon,
                        Television - Dr. Who,
                       Conventions - WorldCon,
                      Film - WarGames (Spoiler)

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SF-LOVERS Digest          Monday, 1 Aug 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 38

Today's Topics:
                            Administrivia,
        Books - Frederic Pohl & Larry Niven & J.R.R. Tolkien &
                             John Norman,
  Film - Star Trek & Twilight Zone:  The Movie (2 msgs) (Spoiler!) &
                   The Return of the Jedi (5 msgs)

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Tuesday, 2 Aug 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 39

Today's Topics:
     Books - J.R.R. Tolkien & Robert A. Heinlein & Terry Brooks &
                          Charles W. Runyon,
    Film - Krull (SPOILER!!!) & WarGames (2 msgs) (SPOILER!!!!) &
               Twilight Zone:  The Movie (SPOILER!!!!)

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SF-LOVERS Digest V8 #37 is "I Weapon".  Although I read the book quite
a while ago and have forgotten some of the details, I would put the
book at an ok level -- I wouldn't pay today's price of $3.95 for it
(anyone care to place bets on when the first line of books start
hitting $5.00?)

/Eric

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SF-LOVERS Digest        Wednesday, 3 Aug 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 40

Today's Topics:
                     Administriva -  Odds & Ends,
 Books - David Kyle & L. Ron Hubbard & Robert A. Heinlein (2 msgs) &
                J.R.R. Tolkien & Larry Niven (2 msgs),
           General Query - Anyone Have a WorldCon Schedule?

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SF-LOVERS Digest          Friday, 5 Aug 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 41

Today's Topics:
       Film - The Return of the Jedi (12 msgs) (SPOILERS!!!!!)

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Saturday, 6 Aug 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 42

Today's Topics:
      Books - David Brin & Arthur C. Clarke & Randall Garrett &
             Robert A. Heinlein (4 msgs) & P.C. Hodgell &
                       David A. Kyle (3 msgs) &
    J.R.R. Tolkien and Terry Brooks and Stephen Donaldson (2 msgs)

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Saturday, 6 Aug 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 43

Today's Topics:
       Administrivia - Regarding the Transmission of SF-Lovers,
          Discussion - Aliens & Fan Politics & Our Future &
                             SCA (4 msgs)

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SF-LOVERS Digest          Sunday, 7 Aug 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 44

Today's Topics:
          Film - Star Trek (4 msgs) & Krull (SPOILER!!!!!) &
                   WarGames (4 msgs) (SPOILER!!!!!)

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SF-LOVERS Digest          Monday, 8 Aug 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 45

Today's Topics:
             Administrivia - WorldCon SF-Lovers Party???,
          Books - Terry Brooks & Randall Garrett (2 msgs) &
         Alexis A. Gilliland & Robert A. Heinlein (3 msgs) &
            L. Ron Hubbard & David A. Kyle & Larry Niven &
                       J.R.R. Tolkien (4 msgs)

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SF-LOVERS Digest          Monday, 8 Aug 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 46

Today's Topics:
          Discussion - Science Fiction vs. Fantasy (2 msgs) &
                    The Fourth Tower of Inverness
               Our Future (2 msgs) & Gene Engineering,
                   Conventions - WorldCon (2 msgs),
          Film - Krull (SPOILER, but very funny anyway!!!!!)

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SF-LOVERS Digest        Wednesday, 10 Aug 1983     Volume 8 : Issue 47

Today's Topics:
                     Film - Star Trek (3 msgs) &
          The Return of the Jedi (5 msgs) (SPOILERS!!!!!) &
                    Superman III (SPOILER!!!!!) &
                        WarGames (SPOILER!!!!!
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SF-LOVERS Digest        Wednesday, 10 Aug 1983     Volume 8 : Issue 48

Today's Topics:
          Discussion - Characters and Alternate Universes &
                   The Future & The SCA (3 msgs) &
                          WorldCon (2 msgs),
                  Books -  J.R.R. Tolkien (5 msgs),
                     Film - Krull (SPOILER!!!!!)

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SF-LOVERS Digest        Wednesday, 10 Aug 1983     Volume 8 : Issue 49

Today's Topics:
                Books - F.M.Busby & Alexis Gilliand &
                    Robert A. Heinlein (3 msgs) &
           P.C. Hodgell & L. Ron Hubbard & Poul Anderson &
                 David A. Kyle and E.E. "Doc" Smith &
                              Tom Reamy,
             Mixed Messages - Star Trek and Larry Niven &
    Robert A. Heinlein and Stephen R. Donaldson and J.R.R. Tolkien

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Friday, 12 Aug 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 50

Today's Topics:
                     Film - Star Trek (6 msgs) &
           The Return of the Jedi (5 msgs) (SPOILER!!!!!) &
              Twilight Zone:  The Movie (SPOILER!!!!!) &
                         Krull (SPOILER!!!!!)

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Friday, 12 Aug 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 51

Today's Topics:
     Conventions - WorldCon Schedule & SF-Lovers Party (4 msgs) &
                      List of Cons & WorldCons,
           Discussion - SCA & Alternate Universes (9 msgs)

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Friday, 12 Aug 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 52

Today's Topics:
     Books - Poul Anderson & Stephen Barnes & Stephen Donaldson &
        David A. Kyle & Jeremy Leven & John Myers & Tom Reamy,
                        News - Vegan Planets?

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SF-LOVERS Digest        Saturday, 13 Aug 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 53

Today's Topics:
              Film - Star Trek (4 msgs) (SPOILER!!!!!) &
                  WarGames (2 msgs) (SPOILER!!!!!) &
            The Return of the Jedi (2 msgs) (SPOILER!!!!!)

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SF-LOVERS Digest        Saturday, 13 Aug 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 54

Today's Topics:
                  Discussion - The Future, 
                        News - Killer Robots!,
          Books - Stephen Donaldson (2 msgs) & Issac Asimov

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Sunday, 14 Aug 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 55

Today's Topics:
Re: Enumerating Alternate Universes
Universe numbering
Alternate worlds
alternate universes
Parallel Worlds
Wizards and Warriors - Plot continuation outline & Background
Re: Looking for book info
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SF-LOVERS Digest         Monday, 15 Aug 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 56

Today's Topics:
             Update - SF-Lovers Worldcon Party (3 msgs),
         Discussion - WorldCon in Other Countries (3 msgs) &
             Robot Murderers and the Three Laws (2 msgs),
        Books - Issac Asimov & Grendel Briarton & John Myers &
                     Tom Reamy & J.R.R. Tolkien,
                      Television - Thunderbirds,
                          Film - Superman II

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Monday, 15 Aug 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 57

Today's Topics:
      Discussion - Alternate Universes (4 msgs) & Alien Aliens &
Transporters (3 msgs),
              Film - Star Trek & WarGames (SPOILER!!!!!)

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Tuesday, 16 Aug 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 58

Today's Topics:
                        Books - Issac Asimov,
               Conventions - WorldCon SF-Lovers Party,
        Discussion - Alien Terrestrials & Kids and Computers &
    Media S.F. vs. Book S.F. & S.F. Writers on the Net (2 msgs) &
            Transporters & Alternate Universes (2 msgs) &
                   Alternate Universes (SPOILED!!!)

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SF-LOVERS Digest        Wednesday, 17 Aug 1983     Volume 8 : Issue 59

Today's Topics:
                  Administrvia - WorldCon SFL Party,
   Discussion - Alternate Universes (2 msgs) & Computer Security &
                  Science Fiction and Predictions &
         Matter Transporters & Book vs. Film Science Fiction,
               Conventions - 13th Annual Fantasy Faire

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SF-LOVERS Digest        Wednesday, 17 Aug 1983     Volume 8 : Issue 60

Today's Topics:
                Discussion - SF Writers on SF Lovers,
        Books - Stephen Donaldson & Randall Garrett (2 msgs) &
                    Sharon Green & Harry Harrison,
        Television - Thunderbirds-F.A.B. & Star Trek (4 msgs),
              Records - Hitch-Hikers Guide to the Galaxy
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SF-LOVERS Digest        Thursday, 18 Aug 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 61

Today's Topics:
                Books - Issac Asimov & Harry Harrison,
          Film - Star Trek and The Star Wars Series (3 msgs)

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SF-LOVERS Digest        Saturday, 20 Aug 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 62

Today's Topics:
             Books - Isaac Asimov (2 msgs) & David Brin &
                       A General Book Message,
                          Magazines - F&SF,
             Discussion - Alternate Universes & The SCA,
           Records - The Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy,
                     Film - Star Trek (2 msgs) &
                              Star Wars

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Monday, 22 Aug 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 63

Today's Topics:
          Books - Isaac Asimov (2 msgs) & John Myers Myers &
                          Paul O. Williams,
           Query - Science Fiction and Fantasy Book Survey,
       Discussion - Science Fact Predicted by Science Fiction &
          Computer Security (2 msgs) & Alternate Universes,
                 Film - Star Trek (2 msgs) & WarGames

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SF-LOVERS Digest        Wednesday, 24 Aug 1983     Volume 8 : Issue 64

Today's Topics:
             Discussion - Alternate Universes (2 msgs) &
                      Computer Security (2 msgs)

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SF-LOVERS Digest        Thursday, 25 Aug 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 65

Today's Topics:
                    Administrivia - Net.SF-Lovers,
           Books - Isaac Asimov (2 msgs) & Harry Harrison &
             Robert A. Heinlein & Fritz Leiber (4 msgs) &
            Justin Leiber & Larry Niven & J.R.R. Tolkien,
                 Notice - Forthcoming Book Releases,
                   Query - Best SF & F Short Works,
              Books - David Brin (semi-spoiler warning)

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SF-LOVERS Digest        Thursday, 25 Aug 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 66

Today's Topics:
          Film - The Star Wars Series & DUNE & Liquid Sky &
                   Metalstorm & Star Trek (2 msgs),
             Discussion - Alternate Universes (2 msgs) &
         Computer Security & Inventions in SF & Transporters

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SF-LOVERS Digest        Thursday, 25 Aug 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 67

Today's Topics:
         Records - Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (2 msgs),
                       Discussion - WorldCons,
        Books - Fritz Leiber & "Star Bright" Query (2 msgs) &
                             Larry Niven

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Friday, 26 Aug 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 68

Today's Topics:
                        Television - Dr. Who,
                   Books - "Star, Bright" (4 msgs),
        Discussion - Science Fiction and Inventions (2 msgs) &
                              WorldCons

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Monday, 29 Aug 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 69

Today's Topics:
                Books - Poul Anderson & Isaac Asimov &
              Fritz Leiber (2 msgs) & Murray Leinster &
                          Theodore Sturgeon,
                     Records - Hitchikers Guide,
            Conventions - Convention Listing & WorldCons,
                  Television - Wizards and Warriors,
                          Comics - Elfquest,
                  Books - David Brin (SPOILER!!!!!)

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Tuesday, 30 Aug 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 70

Today's Topics:
              Discussion - Alternate Universes (8 msgs),
                    News - What's Coming in Books

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SF-LOVERS Digest        Wednesday, 31 Aug 1983     Volume 8 : Issue 71

Today's Topics:
                      Administrivia - WorldCon,
   Books - Poul Anderson and A. Bertram Chandler & "Star, Bright" &
               Harry Harrison & Fritz Leiber (2 msgs),
      Discussion - Alternative Universes (2 msgs) & Characters &
              Scicence Fiction vs. Fantasy & Monorails,
                Records - Hitchhiker's Guide (2 msgs)
     Film - It!  The Thing From Beyond Space & WarGames (3 msgs),
                          Comics - ElfQuest

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Thursday, 1 Sep 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 72

Today's Topics:
                 Television -  Wizards and Warriors,
                      Film - Star Trek (2 msgs),
               Film - METALSTORM (SPOILER WARNING!!!!!)

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Thursday, 1 Sep 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 73

Today's Topics:
        Books - A. Bertram Chandler & Fritz Leiber (2 msgs) &
                Larry Niven & J.R.R. Tolkien (2 msgs),
        Discussion - Alternate Universes & Computer Security,
              Records - Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy,
          Film - It!  The Terror from Beyond Space! (2 msgs)
                     Mixed Message - "Mixed Bag",
                   Film - Metalstorm (Mild Spoiler)
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SF-LOVERS Digest         Tuesday, 6 Sep 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 74

Today's Topics:
                     Books - Various Book Reviews
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SF-LOVERS Digest        Wednesday, 7 Sep 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 75

Today's Topics:
              Books - Various Book Reviews, Continued...
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SF-LOVERS Digest         Thursday, 8 Sep 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 76

Today's Topics:
              Books - Various Book Reviews, Continued...
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SF-LOVERS Digest          Friday, 9 Sep 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 77

Today's Topics:
              Books - Various Book Reviews, Continued...
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SF-LOVERS Digest        Saturday, 10 Sep 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 78

Today's Topics:
             Books - Various Book  Reviews, Continued...
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SF-LOVERS Digest         Sunday, 11 Sep 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 79

Today's Topics:
              Conventions - Convention Listings (2 msgs)
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SF-LOVERS Digest         Sunday, 11 Sep 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 80

Today's Topics:
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SF-LOVERS Digest         Sunday, 11 Sep 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 80

Today's Topics:
             Conventions - Convention Listing Continued!
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SF-LOVERS Digest         Monday, 12 Sep 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 82

Today's Topics:
universe numbering
SF & F Survey Continued ...
SF for Adolescents
looking for an old story
Re: Convention Listings
Re: Elfquest (SF-LOVERS Digest   V8 #69)
Re: 'Star Bright'? - (nf)
Dune movie info
Adventures of the Starkiller
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SF-LOVERS Digest         Monday, 12 Sep 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 82

Today's Topics:
                  Discussion - Alternate Universes,
   Books - SF & F Survey & SF for Adolescents & Search for a Story,
                  Conventions - Convention Listing,
                          Comics - ElfQuest,
                        Radio - Star, Bright,
         Film - Update on DUNE and the Origins of Star Wars,

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Monday, 19 Sep 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 84

Today's Topics:

              Administrivia - Various Problems and News,
      Books - Isaac Asimov & Susan Cooper & Philip Jose Farmer &
           Harry Harrison & Donald Kingsburn & C.S. Lewis &
       Rudy Rucker & Joan Vinge & Robert Anton Wilson (2 msgs),
             Records- Hitch-hiker's Guide to the Galaxy,
                    Television - Dr. Who (2 msgs),
           Mixed Messages - Hitchhiker's Guide and Dr. Who

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Tuesday, 20 Sep 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 85

Today's Topics:
             Administrivia - Oh the pain, oh the pain...,
      Books - Isaac Asimov & Philip Jose Farmer & Randy Rucker &
             Two Questions & SF for Adolescents (3 msgs),
                      Television - Star Blazers,
                         Film - Dune (3 msgs)

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SF-LOVERS Digest        Wednesday, 21 Sep 1983     Volume 8 : Issue 86

Today's Topics:
              Discussion - Alternate Universes (2 msgs),
        Books - SF for Children of All Ages & Short SF Query &
                         Merit Survey Results

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SF-LOVERS Digest        Thursday, 22 Sep 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 87

Today's Topics:
                      Film - Forbidden Planet &
            This Island Earth and The War of the Worlds &
                    I, Robot & Star Trek (4 msgs),
     Television - Star Blazers & Dr. Who & Wizards and Warriors,
                         Games - Videogames,
 Books - Douglas Adams & Philip Jose Farmer & L. Sprague de Camp and
           Fletcher Pratt & Alan Garner & James P. Hogan &
                             Randy Rucker

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Friday, 23 Sep 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 88

Today's Topics:
 Discussion - SF & Literary Merit (4 msgs) & Adolescent SF (5 msgs) &
              Alternate Worlds & Short Good SF (3 msgs)

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SF-LOVERS Digest        Saturday, 24 Sep 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 89

Today's Topics:
          Books - David Brin & L. Sprague De Camp (2 msgs),
                 Conventions - SF Cons List Updated,
                      Television - Star Blazers,
          Film - Star Trek (2 msgs) & Nightmares (3 msgs) &
                      SF Film Production Opinion

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Monday, 26 Sep 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 90

Today's Topics:
         Books - David Brin (2 msgs) & Juvenile SF (6 msgs),
             Discussion - SF & Literary Merit (2 msgs) &
                          Short SF (3 msgs)

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SF-LOVERS Digest        Thursday, 29 Sep 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 91

Today's Topics:
                 Film - General Comment About Film &
    Brainstorm & Krull & Liquid Sky & A Boy and His Dog (5 msgs),
                        Books - Douglas Adams,
              Radio - Hitch-Hiker's Guide to The Galaxy,
            Records - Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy &
                            Dr. Who album,
                         Television -Dr. Who,
                  News - Organ Banks Today? (3 msgs)

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SF-LOVERS Digest        Thursday, 29 Sep 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 92

Today's Topics:
                             Film - Dune,
   Discussion - SF for Adolescents and Other Youngsters (2 msgs) &
       Hugo Awards (3 msgs) & SF and Literary Merit (5 msgs) &
                 Short Good Science Fiction (3 msgs)

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SF-LOVERS Digest          Sunday, 2 Oct 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 93

Today's Topics:
       Books - L. Sprague de Camp and Fletcher Pratt (2 msgs) &
         Harlan Ellison & Philip J. Farmer & Norten Juster &
           Donalds Kingsbury (2 msgs) & Ursula K. LeGuin &
                        Jullian May (2 msgs) &
     Edson McCann and Frederik Pohl and Lester del Rey (2 msgs) &
      Patricia McKillip & Andre Norton (2 msgs) & Roger Zelazny

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SF-LOVERS Digest          Sunday, 2 Oct 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 94

Today's Topics:
     Discussion - Science Fiction for Kids of All Ages (8 msgs) &
                Classic Science Fiction and Fantasy &
             Science Fiction and Literary Merit (8 msgs)

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SF-LOVERS Digest          Sunday, 2 Oct 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 95

Today's Topics:
                  Discussion - Good Short SF and F,
                    Television - Dr. Who (2 msgs),
                  Film - A Boy and His Dog (3 msgs),
                      News - Organ Banks Today?,
         Various Subjects - Mixed Messages On Too Many Things
                        To Be Listed! (2 msgs)

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Thursday, 6 Oct 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 96

Today's Topics:

                Administrivia - Exciting New Update!,
    Books - Isaac Asimov & David Brin (2 msgs) & Lester Del Rey &
          Harlan Ellison (4 msgs) & Douglas Adams (2 msgs) &
   Michael Jahn (?) & Donald Kingsbury & "A Subway Named Mobius" &
                      John Myers Myers (2 msgs)

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Thursday, 6 Oct 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 97

Today's Topics:
      Books - Spider Robinson & Norman Spinrad & Roger Zelazny &
                          New Book Releases,
         Discussion - SF for Adolescents and Others (3 msgs)
        Film - A Boy and His Dog & WarGames & Star Trek III &
                     The Star Wars Saga (2 msgs)

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Thursday, 6 Oct 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 98

Today's Topics:
              Discussion - SF & Literary Merit (5 msgs),
            Television - Dr. Who (2 msgs) & Studs Terkel,
                          Comics - Elfquest

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Friday, 14 Oct 1983       Volume 8 : Issue 99

Today's Topics:
                         Film - Bladerunner,
            Television - Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy,
                   Books - Douglas Adams (4 msgs) &
                  The Very Worst Book Ever Written,
               Conventions - Convention List Updated &
          Those Awful Science Fiction Cults at Conventions,
              Discussion - Education in Science Fiction

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Friday, 14 Oct 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 100

Today's Topics:
                      Discussion - Organbanks &
                    "Sci-Fi" vs. "S.F." (7 msgs),
              Books - Isaac Asimov & David Brin (2 msgs)

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Friday, 14 Oct 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 101

Today's Topics:
                   Books - Lewis Carroll (7 msgs) &
           L. Sprague de Camp and Fletcher Pratt (2 msgs) &
                    James Patrick Hogan (3 msgs) &
                           Star Trek Books,
              Film - Star Trek III:  In Search of Spock

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Monday, 17 Oct 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 102

Today's Topics:
  Books - Groff Conklin & Philip K. Dick & A. J. Deutsch (4 msgs) &
      Spider Robinson & Norman Spinrad (3 msgs) & Roger Zelazny,
         Discussion - SF for Adolescents and Others (2 msgs),
                      News - Latest from Locus,
         Comments - Private Spending vs. Government Spending

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SF-LOVERS Digest        Saturday, 22 Oct 1983     Volume 8 : Issue 103

Today's Topics:
               Administrivia - Marriage and the Digest,
     Mixed Messages - A. J. Deutsch and Norman Spinrad (1 msg) &
   Alan Garner and James Schmitz and Adolescent Books and L. Sprage
  de Camp and Fletcher Pratt and the Brothers Sturgatsky (1 msg) and
          Harlan Ellison and Ben Bova and Douglas Adams and
                  "The Lord's Pink Ocean" (1 msg) &
              Lewis Carroll and "Death Watch" (1 msg) &
          Subscriber Query and Wizards and Warriors (1 msg)

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Tuesday, 25 Oct 1983     Volume 8 : Issue 104

Today's Topics:
            Discussion - SF as Great Literature (9 msgs),
               Books - Thomas Covenant Series (2 msgs),
                    Television - Dr. Who (4 msgs),
                     Movies - Foundation movies?
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SF-LOVERS Digest         Friday, 28 Oct 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 105

Today's Topics:
            Books - Douglas Adams' new book(s) (5 msgs) &
                       Dream Park Filk song? &
                           Thendara House &
                     Sundiver & Startide Rising &
                       Thomas Covenant Series &
                         Zenna Henderson?? &
                      the Merit of Silverlock &
                        Spinrad's 'Iron Dream'&
                            AI literature &
                           New Amber Novels
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SF-LOVERS Digest         Friday, 28 Oct 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 105

Today's Topics:
            Books - Douglas Adams' new book(s) (5 msgs) &
                       Dream Park Filk song? &
                           Thendara House &
                     Sundiver & Startide Rising &
                       Thomas Covenant Series &
                         Zenna Henderson?? &
                      the Merit of Silverlock &
                        Spinrad's 'Iron Dream'&
                            AI literature &
                           New Amber Novels
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SF-LOVERS Digest         Friday, 28 Oct 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 106

Today's Topics:
         Movies - Response to Question about "Bladerunner" &
                        Star Trek III: Kruge,
                    Television - Dr. Who (2 msgs),
     Discussion - The Very Worst SF Book Ever Written (4 msgs) &
                    "Sci-Fi" vs. "S.F." (4 msgs) &
                             Organbanks,
                 Humor - New Sci-Fi collaborations???
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SF-LOVERS Digest         Tuesday, 1 Nov 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 107

Today's Topics:
Re: Zenna Henderson??
Zenna Henderson
merit survey
Re: Merit Survy Results
Anyone know title/author?
another request for title/author
Time Enough For Mail
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SF-LOVERS Digest        Wednesday, 2 Nov 1983     Volume 8 : Issue 108

Today's Topics:
         Books - Douglas Adams & Alfred Bester & David Brin &
                             Gene Wolfe,
                 Music - Old Time Religion (3 msgs),
                Query - Science Fiction Ghost Writers,
                            Comics - MARS,
                    Television - Dr. Who (2 msgs),
                  Film - Brainstorm & Bladerunner &
                   News about 2010:  Odyssey Two &
                   Possible Movie about the 414's?,
    Games - Traveller--Science Fiction Adventure in the Far Future

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SF-LOVERS Digest          Friday, 4 Nov 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 109

Today's Topics:
              Books - Piers Anthony & Christoper Anvil &
             Stephen Donaldson (2 msgs) & Norman Spinrad,
                 Query - Groff Conklin OMNIBUS Query,
       Discussion - Private vs. Public Funding of Space Travel,
                    Film - Bladerunner (2 msgs) &
                    Star Trek:  The Motion Picture

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SF-LOVERS Digest          Monday, 7 Nov 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 110

Today's Topics:
                    Query - Looking for a book? &
                  Looking for Contradiction in Terms,
                 Music - Old Time Religion (3 msgs),
                            Comics - MARS,
  Discussion - Public vs. Private Funding of Space Travel (5 msgs),
        Television - The People & Dr. Who & Hitchhiker's Guide

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SF-LOVERS Digest          Monday, 7 Nov 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 111

Today's Topics:
       Film - Brainstorm & Dune & The Star Wars Saga (2 msgs) &
                             Bladerunner,
           Books - Spider Robinson and Michael McCollum and
           Charles Sheffield and Jack Williamson (1 msg) &
              Gene Wolfe and George R.R. Martin (1 msg)
     Harlan Ellison and Zenna Henderson and L. Sprage de Camp and
        Catherine de Camp and Lin Carter and Robert Howard and
                             "Thriller" &
           Douglas Adams (3 msgs) & John W. Campbell, Jr. &
                            Stanislaw Lem

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Friday, 11 Nov 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 112

Today's Topics:
           Books - Douglas Adams (8 msgs) & Isaac Asimov &
                 David Brin (5 msgs) & M.A. Foster &
        David Gerrold & John D. MacDonald & Michael McCollum &
        Michael Moorcok & Jesse Peel & H. Beam Piper (2 msgs)

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Friday, 11 Nov 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 113

Today's Topics:
            Books - J.R.R. Tolkein & Jack Vance (3 msgs) &
            Gene Wolfe (3 msgs) & "Math Books" (2 msgs) &
                           The SF Omnibus,
                      Film - The Star Wars Saga,
                    Television - Dr. Who (2 msgs),
            Games - Traveller & Empire of the Petal Throne

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Monday, 14 Nov 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 114

Today's Topics:
                Bookclubs - Walden Books SF Book Club,
              Bookstores - Rare and Hard-to-Find Books,
     Radio - The FOURTH TOWER of INVERNESS & Other ZBS Weirdness,
                    Television - Dr. Who (7 msgs),
                Conventions - Buttons Seen at SF Cons

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SF-LOVERS Digest        Thursday, 17 Nov 1983     Volume 8 : Issue 115

Today's Topics:
           Books - Douglas Adams (6 msgs) & Isaac Asimov &
             David Brin (2 msgs) & M.A. Foster (2 msgs) &
      Robert A. Heinlein (2 msgs) & Michael Moorcock (2 msgs) &
             H. Beam Piper & J.R.R. Tolkein & Jack Vance,
                Query - Looking for a Lost Book/Story,
          Film - Sequel to "The Day the Earth Stood Still" &
                         The Star Wars Saga,
                    Television - Dr. Who (3 msgs),
                     Music - "Old Time Religion"

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Monday, 21 Nov 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 116

Today's Topics:

                   Administriva--Hail and Farewell,
                   Television - Dr. Who (11 msgs),
                    Books - Douglas Adams (5 msgs)

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Monday, 21 Nov 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 117

Today's Topics:

                   Administriva--Hail and Farewell,
                    Television - Dr. Who (2 msgs),
              Books - James Blish (6 msgs) & David Brin

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Monday, 21 Nov 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 118

Today's Topics:
                   Administriva--Hail and Farewell,
         Books - M.A. Foster (2 msgs) & Jack Vance (2 msgs) &
                             Gene Wolfe,
      Mixed Message - Douglas Adams and M.A. Foster and Michael
                   Moorcock and Jack Vance (1 msg),
          Fandom - SF clubs & Buttons Seen at SF Conventions

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Sunday, 27 Nov 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 119

Today's Topics:
              Query - Lost Books and Other Love Affairs,
            Fandom - SF Clubs & SF Cons List & Filksongs &
                         Walden SF Book Club,
                    Space -CalSpace info request,
                    Television - Dr. Who (4 msgs)

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Sunday, 27 Nov 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 120

Today's Topics:
                         Music - David Bowie,
              Film - Dune & The Star Wars Saga (6 msgs),
          Events - Harvard Film Archieve December SF Listing

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Sunday, 27 Nov 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 121

Today's Topics:
       Administrivia - So Long and Thanks for All the Fish...,
           Books - Piers Anthony (2 msgs) & Isaac Asimov &
                 James Blish & David Brin (2 msgs) &
             Fantasia Mathematica & Jack Vance (2 msgs),
                 Query - Looking For Yet Another Book

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SF-LOVERS Digest          Friday, 2 Dec 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 122

Today's Topics:
                       Administrivia - Hi There Sailor!,
                  Books - David Brin (6 msgs) & Robert Asprin

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Saturday, 3 Dec 1983     Volume 8 : Issue 123

Today's Topics:
Re: Robots of Dawn
Anthony's XANTH - (nf)
Re: The Library! -- vs. Democracy
Guerilla
RE: Black Easter
Women's Lit - slight spoiler
Re: Mindkiller (*mild spoiler*) - (nf)
Stableford series identified
re: Joe and the brain symbiot
Vance lover
short story review
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SF-LOVERS Digest          Monday, 5 Dec 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 124

Today's Topics:
                   Television - Dr. Who (9 msgs),
                   Music - Filk songs & David Bowie

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SF-LOVERS Digest          Monday, 5 Dec 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 125

Today's Topics:
                  Television - Dr. Who (10 msgs),
                  Film - The Psychology and Politics of 50's Films,
                  SF clubs - The Oldest College Science Fiction Club

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SF-LOVERS Digest          Friday, 9 Dec 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 126

Today's Topics:
                   Television - Dr. Who (5 msgs),
                   Movies - Star Wars (7 msgs),
                   Miscellaneous - The Future Now

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SF-LOVERS Digest          Friday, 9 Dec 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 127

Today's Topics:
                   Special Issue - SF conventions

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SF-LOVERS Digest        Saturday, 10 Dec 1983     Volume 8 : Issue 128

Today's Topics:

        Books - Channel's Destiny (2 msgs) & Anthony & Brin,
        Television - Dr. Who (3 msgs),
        Films - Star Wars (5 msgs),
        Miscellaneous - SF Clubs & Recent SF awards

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Tuesday, 13 Dec 1983     Volume 8 : Issue 129

Today's Topics:
     Books - Huxley & Gilliland & Mccaffrey & Orwell (5 msgs) &
	       Tepper & Varley,
     Films - Star Wars,
     Television - Dr. Who

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Friday, 16 Dec 1983      Volume 8 : Issue 130

Today's Topics:
          Books - Duane & Lichtenberg (2 msgs) & Orwell &
                  Pohl & Russ & Vance & Varley
          Films - ILM & Star Wars (4 msgs)
          Miscellaneous - The Future Now

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SF-LOVERS Digest         Tuesday, 20 Dec 1983     Volume 8 : Issue 132

Today's Topics:
              Books - Brin & Huxley & Orwell & Pohl &
                      Book Requests (2 msgs) & Miscellaneous
              Film - 2010: A Space Odyssey & ILM
              Television - Dr. Who & Blake's Seven
              Miscellaneous - Old Time Religion & Parsecs & Black Holes

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SF-LOVERS Digest        Thursday, 22 Dec 1983     Volume 8 : Issue 133

Today's Topics:
       Administrivia - Missing Digests and Season's Greetings
       Books - Miller & Orwell & Pohl (3 msgs) & Varley & Book Request
       Films - Special Effects in Movies (4 msgs) & Starwars
       Television - Dr Who & Star Trek

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SF-LOVERS Digest        Wednesday, 28 Dec 1983    Volume 8 : Issue 134

Today's Topics:
                  Books - Anne McCaffrey (2 msgs)
                  Film - Star Wars (3 msgs)
                  Miscellaneous - Parsecs (3 msgs) & Black Holes

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SF-LOVERS Digest        Saturday, 31 Dec 1983     Volume 8 : Issue 135

Today's Topics:
         Books - Bradley & Leiber & Niven (3 msgs) & Orwell
         Television - Star Trek (2 msgs)
         Miscellaneous - Black Holes & The Parsec (4 msgs)

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SF-LOVERS Digest        Saturday, 31 Dec 1983     Volume 8 : Issue 136

Today's Topics:
             Books - MacLeish (3 msgs) & Matriarchies,
             Television - Dr Who (2 msgs),
             Films - Star Wars (2 msgs),
             Miscellaneous - The Parsec

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